1 00:00:00,534 --> 00:00:02,203 [music playing] 2 00:00:04,705 --> 00:00:07,308 ANNOUNCER: This program is about unsolved mysteries. 3 00:00:07,408 --> 00:00:09,410 Whenever possible, the actual family members 4 00:00:09,510 --> 00:00:11,379 and police officials have participated 5 00:00:11,479 --> 00:00:12,913 in recreating the events. 6 00:00:13,013 --> 00:00:15,316 What you are about to see is not a news broadcast. 7 00:00:26,194 --> 00:00:28,596 ROBERT STACK: Charlie Sigmin lived in Blytheville, Arkansas. 8 00:00:28,696 --> 00:00:31,599 He was a kind man with strong religious beliefs, 9 00:00:31,699 --> 00:00:34,335 but Charlie was a man unlucky in love. 10 00:00:34,435 --> 00:00:35,903 Married and divorced twice, he despaired 11 00:00:36,003 --> 00:00:40,541 of finding the right woman, until he met Ann. 12 00:00:40,641 --> 00:00:45,079 This time Charlie had thought he had finally found happiness. 13 00:00:45,179 --> 00:00:45,979 He was wrong. 14 00:00:48,882 --> 00:00:50,050 [radio chatter] 15 00:00:51,252 --> 00:00:53,287 During the early morning of October 20, 1986, 16 00:00:53,387 --> 00:00:55,689 Charlie Sigmin was shot seven times. 17 00:00:59,860 --> 00:01:03,297 MAN: Charlie was laying face down on the carpet, 18 00:01:03,397 --> 00:01:04,698 quite a bit up under him. 19 00:01:04,798 --> 00:01:08,436 His clothes were in disarray as he'd been in a fight. 20 00:01:08,536 --> 00:01:10,704 He was soaking wet with sweat and of course was bloody. 21 00:01:12,906 --> 00:01:14,442 ROBERT STACK: Ann was separated from Charlie. 22 00:01:14,542 --> 00:01:17,211 He was killed in the home of her new boyfriend, Garey Goff. 23 00:01:20,581 --> 00:01:22,783 Ann admitted at the time that Charlie had been shot 24 00:01:22,883 --> 00:01:25,119 by her boyfriend, but the police are 25 00:01:25,219 --> 00:01:28,622 divided about the circumstances of Charlie Sigmin's death. 26 00:01:28,722 --> 00:01:31,659 Was it self-defense or was it murder? 27 00:01:31,759 --> 00:01:34,195 Tonight, we'll examine this case and two other mysteries. 28 00:01:34,295 --> 00:01:36,497 In one, a loving, reliable family man 29 00:01:36,597 --> 00:01:39,433 walked away from his home and simply disappeared. 30 00:01:39,533 --> 00:01:41,935 Police fear he may have amnesia. 31 00:01:42,035 --> 00:01:43,337 The other involves the odd memory 32 00:01:43,437 --> 00:01:46,274 lapses called missing time, experienced 33 00:01:46,374 --> 00:01:48,676 by over 200 Americans. 34 00:01:48,776 --> 00:01:52,713 Incredibly, they claim they were abducted by UFO aliens. 35 00:01:52,813 --> 00:01:54,715 It sounds outrageous, but many are 36 00:01:54,815 --> 00:01:56,150 credible citizens and their claims 37 00:01:56,250 --> 00:01:58,352 cannot be easily dismissed. 38 00:01:58,452 --> 00:01:59,420 Join me. 39 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,089 You may be able to help solve a mystery. 40 00:02:02,190 --> 00:02:04,091 [music playing] 41 00:02:53,541 --> 00:02:55,543 Charlie Sigmin loved children, and when 42 00:02:55,643 --> 00:02:57,044 he fell in love with Ann, he also 43 00:02:57,144 --> 00:02:58,212 fell in love with her two boys. 44 00:03:01,014 --> 00:03:03,050 He wanted the best for his new family, 45 00:03:03,150 --> 00:03:05,919 and shortly after his marriage, Charlie sold his small house 46 00:03:06,019 --> 00:03:08,522 and moved Ann and her child to a nine acre truck farm. 47 00:03:11,925 --> 00:03:13,761 Charlie name the farm after his and Ann's 48 00:03:13,861 --> 00:03:16,997 initials, CNAs, a name that he felt 49 00:03:17,097 --> 00:03:20,067 symbolized his happy marriage. 50 00:03:20,167 --> 00:03:22,870 BONITA SIGMIN: They worked side by side. 51 00:03:22,970 --> 00:03:25,739 And I know there's got to have been-- got to have 52 00:03:25,839 --> 00:03:29,443 been some love there somewhere. 53 00:03:29,543 --> 00:03:31,879 Those two children is what drew he and Ann together, 54 00:03:31,979 --> 00:03:33,981 and they were so crazy about Charlie, 55 00:03:34,081 --> 00:03:36,784 and he'd watch those children. 56 00:03:36,884 --> 00:03:40,321 After all of these things that have happened-- 57 00:03:40,421 --> 00:03:43,424 and I can look back now, I can see that she was feathering 58 00:03:43,524 --> 00:03:45,693 her nest, she thought. 59 00:03:45,793 --> 00:03:47,027 It was strange. 60 00:03:47,127 --> 00:03:48,596 It's something I've never been able to put my finger on, 61 00:03:48,696 --> 00:03:52,165 but she just didn't seem Charlie's type, ever, 62 00:03:52,266 --> 00:03:54,167 from day one from the day I met her. 63 00:03:54,268 --> 00:03:56,437 I mean, he was crazy about her, and I 64 00:03:56,537 --> 00:03:58,439 wouldn't say anything against her, 65 00:03:58,539 --> 00:04:02,576 but she just never seemed his type. 66 00:04:02,676 --> 00:04:04,645 ROBERT STACK: During the summer of 1986, 67 00:04:04,745 --> 00:04:09,182 Charlie began to suspect that Ann was seeing another man. 68 00:04:09,283 --> 00:04:11,819 JOE IGLEHEART: He had suspicions about her being 69 00:04:11,919 --> 00:04:13,987 involved with somebody else, and he said 70 00:04:14,087 --> 00:04:16,757 that he'd been watching her. 71 00:04:16,857 --> 00:04:21,962 She had disappeared one night, had come back. 72 00:04:22,062 --> 00:04:25,666 And then he woke up another night and she was gone, 73 00:04:25,766 --> 00:04:27,468 and he thought she had taken off again. 74 00:04:27,568 --> 00:04:30,671 Well, he got up, put his clothes on, 75 00:04:30,771 --> 00:04:32,172 and she wasn't in the house. 76 00:04:40,047 --> 00:04:44,518 He saw a light under the door of their refrigerator-- a little 77 00:04:44,618 --> 00:04:48,322 shed they kept their vegetables and stuff in. 78 00:04:48,422 --> 00:04:52,660 He went out, opened the door, and she 79 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:56,430 was sitting on the floor in a negligee, 80 00:04:56,530 --> 00:04:59,700 the way he described to me about half naked. 81 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,570 She had a semi-circle of candles around her, 82 00:05:02,670 --> 00:05:05,439 had a poster or a drawing of something 83 00:05:05,539 --> 00:05:09,777 of a Satan-like figure on the wall-- was chanting, 84 00:05:09,877 --> 00:05:10,878 which he didn't understand. 85 00:05:10,978 --> 00:05:19,052 [non-english speech] 86 00:05:19,152 --> 00:05:21,288 And they had a confrontation. 87 00:05:21,389 --> 00:05:23,891 They went in the house. 88 00:05:23,991 --> 00:05:25,859 And he didn't go any further than that. 89 00:05:25,959 --> 00:05:27,928 I didn't ask. 90 00:05:28,028 --> 00:05:31,098 And he said I'm not going to tell you, mother, how he was-- 91 00:05:31,198 --> 00:05:34,902 how she was dress, and I'm not going tell you what all I saw. 92 00:05:35,002 --> 00:05:38,739 But he said she does not worship God. 93 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:39,873 ROBERT STACK: Three weeks earlier, 94 00:05:39,973 --> 00:05:42,209 Charlie had found this doll in their bedroom 95 00:05:42,309 --> 00:05:43,577 and said that Ann had told him it was 96 00:05:43,677 --> 00:05:46,680 used in her witchcraft rituals. 97 00:05:46,780 --> 00:05:48,181 BONITA SIGMIN: And he said, mother, you don't 98 00:05:48,281 --> 00:05:49,483 realize what that is, do you? 99 00:05:49,583 --> 00:05:50,784 And I said, well, what is it? 100 00:05:50,884 --> 00:05:55,055 He said that is a doll that they use in their worship. 101 00:05:55,155 --> 00:05:57,791 He said look at that needle in through the heart 102 00:05:57,891 --> 00:06:00,528 that's drawn on that. 103 00:06:00,628 --> 00:06:04,264 And he said when I woke up when I found that, he said 104 00:06:04,364 --> 00:06:05,499 it was laying on my pillow. 105 00:06:09,369 --> 00:06:10,838 ROBERT STACK: Disturbed by Ann's behavior, 106 00:06:10,938 --> 00:06:13,507 Charlie demanded that she move out. 107 00:06:13,607 --> 00:06:15,008 She went to nearby Caruthersville, 108 00:06:15,108 --> 00:06:17,811 Missouri to live with Garey Goff, a truck driver 109 00:06:17,911 --> 00:06:19,813 who had once been a policeman. 110 00:06:19,913 --> 00:06:23,651 Ironically, Charlie had known Gary since childhood. 111 00:06:23,751 --> 00:06:26,153 But most upsetting to Charlie was that Ann had taken 112 00:06:26,253 --> 00:06:27,555 her two children with her. 113 00:06:33,927 --> 00:06:36,930 These events took their toll on Charlie. 114 00:06:37,030 --> 00:06:39,433 He became depressed. 115 00:06:39,533 --> 00:06:42,470 He missed his wife and her two boys. 116 00:06:42,570 --> 00:06:44,037 He still talked to Ann occasionally, 117 00:06:44,137 --> 00:06:45,906 and according to some friends had then received 118 00:06:46,006 --> 00:06:49,510 threatening calls from Garey. 119 00:06:49,610 --> 00:06:52,446 On the night of October 19, 1986, 120 00:06:52,546 --> 00:06:54,347 Charlie was with an old friend at home 121 00:06:54,448 --> 00:06:56,784 when he received a phone call from Ann. 122 00:06:56,884 --> 00:06:57,851 [phone ringing] 123 00:06:58,886 --> 00:07:00,387 Fearing publicity, Charlie's friend 124 00:07:00,488 --> 00:07:01,354 prefers to remain anonymous. 125 00:07:01,455 --> 00:07:02,255 Hello? 126 00:07:03,991 --> 00:07:08,295 JANE DOE: She said that the two boys was crying after him. 127 00:07:08,395 --> 00:07:10,998 She was threatening suicide. 128 00:07:11,098 --> 00:07:13,534 And he said that he had to go up there 129 00:07:13,634 --> 00:07:16,637 and see what was happening. 130 00:07:16,737 --> 00:07:18,772 He says I could be getting set up here. 131 00:07:21,742 --> 00:07:22,743 ROBERT STACK: Charlie reluctantly 132 00:07:22,843 --> 00:07:25,078 agreed to drive to Ann's. 133 00:07:25,178 --> 00:07:28,048 According to his friend, Charlie was quite sober. 134 00:07:28,148 --> 00:07:30,718 He thought of taking a pistol along but reconsidered. 135 00:07:30,818 --> 00:07:31,619 No. 136 00:07:37,858 --> 00:07:41,495 ROBERT STACK: 3:20 AM that same night-- 137 00:07:41,595 --> 00:07:43,964 Charlie's been shot. 138 00:07:44,064 --> 00:07:44,965 Charlie's been shot. 139 00:07:45,065 --> 00:07:46,199 ROBERT STACK: Ann Sigmin reported 140 00:07:46,299 --> 00:07:48,401 the shooting of her husband at Garey Goff's house. 141 00:07:51,772 --> 00:07:53,941 A Caruthersville Police Department conducted 142 00:07:54,041 --> 00:07:56,409 a crime scene investigation. 143 00:07:56,510 --> 00:07:57,811 [police chatter] 144 00:07:57,911 --> 00:07:59,112 GARY HILBURN: The house was torn apart. 145 00:07:59,212 --> 00:08:01,248 It was been a very bad struggle in there. 146 00:08:01,348 --> 00:08:02,850 There was blood all over the door and the walls, 147 00:08:02,950 --> 00:08:04,417 and there was a couple of bullet holes 148 00:08:04,518 --> 00:08:07,187 in the walls and [inaudible]. 149 00:08:07,287 --> 00:08:11,859 And there were seven bullet wounds in the body. 150 00:08:11,959 --> 00:08:15,462 There were two bullet holes on the inside of his left thigh, 151 00:08:15,563 --> 00:08:17,865 one bullet hole in the upper left scrotum, 152 00:08:17,965 --> 00:08:22,903 one in the right jaw, one of his outside right fists, 153 00:08:23,003 --> 00:08:26,139 one in the right ear, and one in the front of the neck here. 154 00:08:26,239 --> 00:08:27,541 This is the one that was fatal, according 155 00:08:27,641 --> 00:08:28,542 to the autopsy report. 156 00:08:34,848 --> 00:08:36,249 ROBERT STACK: Two guns were found. 157 00:08:36,349 --> 00:08:38,619 A 32 revolver was lying on the floor 158 00:08:38,719 --> 00:08:41,722 and a 25 caliber pistol was on top of the TV. 159 00:08:41,822 --> 00:08:42,690 Both had been fired. 160 00:08:45,492 --> 00:08:47,928 In addition, a bloody iron had been placed in a wastebasket 161 00:08:48,028 --> 00:08:48,829 in the kitchen. 162 00:08:52,232 --> 00:08:53,634 She was yelling for help. 163 00:08:53,734 --> 00:08:56,436 I got in there and Charlie was beating her. 164 00:08:56,536 --> 00:08:59,306 ROBERT STACK: Garey and Ann were interrogated at length. 165 00:08:59,406 --> 00:09:01,441 Garey Goff said he struggled with Charlie, 166 00:09:01,541 --> 00:09:04,444 hitting him with the iron and firing all seven of the shots. 167 00:09:07,748 --> 00:09:09,750 Ann corroborated Garey's testimony, 168 00:09:09,850 --> 00:09:12,352 but did admit to handling the 25 caliber pistol. 169 00:09:12,452 --> 00:09:14,421 Did you give it to Garey or did Garey take it from you? 170 00:09:14,521 --> 00:09:17,290 Uh, I gave it to Garey. 171 00:09:20,661 --> 00:09:21,829 ROBERT STACK: Ann claimed that Charlie 172 00:09:21,929 --> 00:09:23,997 had arrived at the house in a drunken rage, 173 00:09:24,097 --> 00:09:25,332 demanding to be let inside. 174 00:09:25,432 --> 00:09:26,233 Come on! 175 00:09:29,302 --> 00:09:30,671 Come on! 176 00:09:30,771 --> 00:09:31,571 Come on. 177 00:09:31,672 --> 00:09:32,973 We've got to talk. 178 00:09:33,073 --> 00:09:35,375 ROBERT STACK: He then forced his way into the house. 179 00:09:38,511 --> 00:09:40,814 Ann maintained that once inside, Charlie 180 00:09:40,914 --> 00:09:42,650 began beating her severely-- - Charlie! 181 00:09:42,750 --> 00:09:44,517 ROBERT STACK: --until Garey Goff came to her rescue. 182 00:09:44,618 --> 00:09:45,953 [screaming] 183 00:09:46,053 --> 00:09:47,888 Leave her alone! 184 00:09:47,988 --> 00:09:51,158 Though Garey had a broken arm from an earlier incident, 185 00:09:51,258 --> 00:09:53,861 he fought with Charlie, then shot him five times. 186 00:09:53,961 --> 00:09:54,828 [gunshots] 187 00:09:58,398 --> 00:10:02,670 He fired two more shots from the 25 caliber pistol. 188 00:10:02,770 --> 00:10:06,874 Finally, Charlie collapsed. 189 00:10:06,974 --> 00:10:09,309 Unfortunately, no blood test was taken to prove 190 00:10:09,409 --> 00:10:11,111 if Charlie had been drinking. 191 00:10:11,211 --> 00:10:12,880 But even if Ann's story was true, 192 00:10:12,980 --> 00:10:15,783 there still might be grounds for a charge of premeditated murder 193 00:10:15,883 --> 00:10:19,052 if Ann and Garey had both fired at Charlie. 194 00:10:19,152 --> 00:10:20,954 Police conducted a powder residue test 195 00:10:21,054 --> 00:10:24,758 to see if Ann had fired a gun. 196 00:10:24,858 --> 00:10:27,995 It was inconclusive. 197 00:10:28,095 --> 00:10:29,930 We took it all to the prosecutor's office. 198 00:10:30,030 --> 00:10:32,132 We told them what was in it. 199 00:10:32,232 --> 00:10:34,601 He asked what I felt, and at that time 200 00:10:34,702 --> 00:10:36,103 I told him I felt like it was probably 201 00:10:36,203 --> 00:10:38,071 self-defense, that I believed that they 202 00:10:38,171 --> 00:10:39,172 were telling the truth. 203 00:10:39,272 --> 00:10:40,908 And the only thing I could tell him is we'll 204 00:10:41,008 --> 00:10:44,544 have to do more investigation and see. 205 00:10:44,644 --> 00:10:46,213 ROBERT STACK: The Caruthersville Police Department 206 00:10:46,313 --> 00:10:47,848 released Ann and Garey. 207 00:10:47,948 --> 00:10:50,050 However, the investigation continued. 208 00:10:52,886 --> 00:10:54,187 One of Ann's friends claimed that Ann 209 00:10:54,287 --> 00:10:57,024 had told her she had reasons for wanting Charlie dead. 210 00:11:00,193 --> 00:11:02,662 The sheriff's department wired Ann's friend for sound 211 00:11:02,763 --> 00:11:04,264 and waited for Ann to say something that 212 00:11:04,364 --> 00:11:06,700 would be an admission of guilt. 213 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:08,268 It sounds like it. 214 00:11:08,368 --> 00:11:10,838 We were fast reaching rope's end 215 00:11:10,938 --> 00:11:15,642 at being able to charge anybody with this crime, 216 00:11:15,743 --> 00:11:18,111 so we had to do something different than what 217 00:11:18,211 --> 00:11:19,012 we were doing. 218 00:11:19,112 --> 00:11:20,047 You just need that much time. 219 00:11:20,147 --> 00:11:21,749 Fine. 220 00:11:21,849 --> 00:11:25,185 I will wait until tomorrow and then I'll call, OK? 221 00:11:25,285 --> 00:11:26,787 JACK DAVIS: She had, in talking with Ms. Sigmin, 222 00:11:26,887 --> 00:11:29,289 had told her she was fixing to go to the police. 223 00:11:29,389 --> 00:11:31,524 Ms. Sigmin ultimately told her not to go to the police 224 00:11:31,624 --> 00:11:32,893 or ask her not to go to the police 225 00:11:32,993 --> 00:11:37,530 and give her time to-- her and Mr. Goff time to leave town. 226 00:11:37,630 --> 00:11:39,366 She incriminated herself on the tape. 227 00:11:44,738 --> 00:11:46,639 ROBERT STACK: After this recorded conversation, 228 00:11:46,740 --> 00:11:48,708 the authorities began to prepare a warrant for Ann 229 00:11:48,809 --> 00:11:51,945 and Garey's arrest. 230 00:11:52,045 --> 00:11:54,647 But only a few hours later, Ann Sigmin vanished, 231 00:11:54,748 --> 00:11:58,218 leaving her two boys behind. 232 00:11:58,318 --> 00:11:59,853 Garey Goff had already left town, 233 00:11:59,953 --> 00:12:04,624 and his truck was later found abandoned in Phoenix, Arizona. 234 00:12:04,724 --> 00:12:08,361 The couple has not been seen since. 235 00:12:08,461 --> 00:12:10,463 The police are still divided on whether the shooting 236 00:12:10,563 --> 00:12:15,869 of Charlie Sigmin was self-defense or a murder. 237 00:12:15,969 --> 00:12:20,173 In my mind, I do not see a murder first degree here. 238 00:12:20,273 --> 00:12:22,609 And I say that because of the scene, 239 00:12:22,709 --> 00:12:25,478 the disarray of the house, the damage that was done to it, 240 00:12:25,578 --> 00:12:27,948 the angle of the bullet wounds to the body, the fight that 241 00:12:28,048 --> 00:12:30,317 occurred, and the damage to Garey-- 242 00:12:30,417 --> 00:12:33,286 the bruises on his chest and face, and the bruises 243 00:12:33,386 --> 00:12:34,387 on his back. 244 00:12:34,487 --> 00:12:36,556 And, of course, the man had a broken arm. 245 00:12:36,656 --> 00:12:39,526 In my opinion, there is no probability of self-defense. 246 00:12:39,626 --> 00:12:41,995 Self-defense just don't exist in this case. 247 00:12:42,095 --> 00:12:45,899 And once we'd get into the trial part of this case 248 00:12:45,999 --> 00:12:47,534 where we can bring all the information out, 249 00:12:47,634 --> 00:12:51,471 I don't think that anybody else will assume that, either. 250 00:12:51,571 --> 00:12:54,141 I think their biggest mistake is being gone. 251 00:12:54,241 --> 00:12:57,510 I would like to see them come back and resolve this thing, 252 00:12:57,610 --> 00:13:00,613 because I do not believe that Garey Goff is 253 00:13:00,713 --> 00:13:02,715 capable of murder first degree, and I've 254 00:13:02,816 --> 00:13:04,017 got questions about it. 255 00:13:06,786 --> 00:13:08,555 ROBERT STACK: The only way the case will be resolved 256 00:13:08,655 --> 00:13:12,225 is when Ann and Garey have their day in court. 257 00:13:12,325 --> 00:13:15,362 They have never been officially served with a warrant, 258 00:13:15,462 --> 00:13:19,099 and may not even be aware that they are wanted. 259 00:13:19,199 --> 00:13:21,534 [music playing] 260 00:13:33,813 --> 00:13:37,985 Next, a shocking story of two happy-go-lucky teenage boys 261 00:13:38,085 --> 00:13:40,753 who died in a bizarre train accident. 262 00:13:40,854 --> 00:13:42,956 Their parents believe they were murdered. 263 00:13:43,056 --> 00:13:45,392 [music playing] 264 00:13:55,235 --> 00:13:57,304 Last month, we told you about two teenage boys 265 00:13:57,404 --> 00:14:01,008 in Arkansas who apparently died in a bizarre train accident. 266 00:14:01,108 --> 00:14:02,742 Recent developments have left no doubt 267 00:14:02,842 --> 00:14:04,277 that in fact the boys were murdered, 268 00:14:04,377 --> 00:14:08,982 and that they may have been killed by drug dealers. 269 00:14:09,082 --> 00:14:12,920 Shortly after midnight on August 23, 1987, 270 00:14:13,020 --> 00:14:16,489 Don Henry and Kevin Ives set out night hunting near the railroad 271 00:14:16,589 --> 00:14:17,925 tracks behind Don's home. 272 00:14:20,593 --> 00:14:25,032 Four hours later, a cargo train traveling at 52 miles per hour 273 00:14:25,132 --> 00:14:27,034 hurtled down on their motionless bodies. 274 00:14:27,134 --> 00:14:28,468 [horn honking] 275 00:14:28,568 --> 00:14:32,272 STEPHEN SHROYER: And I started laying down the diesel horn, 276 00:14:32,372 --> 00:14:38,645 and I got no reaction, none at all, not so much as a flinch. 277 00:14:38,745 --> 00:14:41,514 ROBERT STACK: The two boys were lying parallel on the tracks. 278 00:14:41,614 --> 00:14:44,451 They were partially covered by a light green tarp. 279 00:14:44,551 --> 00:14:48,355 Beside them lay Don's 22 caliber rifle. 280 00:14:48,455 --> 00:14:50,323 The state medical examiner initially 281 00:14:50,423 --> 00:14:53,326 ruled that their deaths were an accident. 282 00:14:53,426 --> 00:14:55,595 Months later, prosecutor Richard Garrett 283 00:14:55,695 --> 00:14:57,897 instigated a second autopsy. 284 00:14:57,998 --> 00:15:00,200 This time the results revealed that Kevin Ives had been 285 00:15:00,300 --> 00:15:02,735 stabbed in the back by a large knife, 286 00:15:02,835 --> 00:15:05,738 Don Henry had been hit in the face with a rifle butt. 287 00:15:05,838 --> 00:15:07,674 Officials now believe that both boys 288 00:15:07,774 --> 00:15:11,278 were either unconscious or dead before the train hit them. 289 00:15:14,047 --> 00:15:16,449 Since the broadcast, several anonymous callers 290 00:15:16,549 --> 00:15:19,119 to our 800 number alleged that Kevin and Don's death 291 00:15:19,219 --> 00:15:21,888 is related to drug trafficking in the area. 292 00:15:21,989 --> 00:15:23,790 We have asked prosecutor Richard Garrett to join 293 00:15:23,890 --> 00:15:26,326 us to update the investigation. 294 00:15:26,426 --> 00:15:30,697 Richard, how could the killings be related to drug trafficking? 295 00:15:30,797 --> 00:15:33,600 RICHARD GARRETT: Saline County in the central Arkansas area 296 00:15:33,700 --> 00:15:39,539 has overrun at this time with drug trafficking, 297 00:15:39,639 --> 00:15:41,908 and it's drug trafficking on a high level 298 00:15:42,009 --> 00:15:45,578 that extends into other states and into other counties. 299 00:15:45,678 --> 00:15:47,547 What do you believe happened the night they died? 300 00:15:48,881 --> 00:15:51,684 RICHARD GARRETT: I think that the boys saw something 301 00:15:51,784 --> 00:15:53,386 that they shouldn't have seen, and it 302 00:15:53,486 --> 00:15:58,191 had to do with drugs either with a crank lab-- which 303 00:15:58,291 --> 00:16:02,929 manufactures methamphetamine-- or certain individuals 304 00:16:03,030 --> 00:16:04,497 involved in those matters. 305 00:16:04,597 --> 00:16:07,267 And those people felt like that the information 306 00:16:07,367 --> 00:16:09,802 that the boys then had was such that they 307 00:16:09,902 --> 00:16:12,372 could not allow them to live. 308 00:16:12,472 --> 00:16:14,874 Could anyone else be involved? 309 00:16:14,974 --> 00:16:15,975 RICHARD GARRETT: I think there is 310 00:16:16,076 --> 00:16:17,977 a distinct possibility that there 311 00:16:18,078 --> 00:16:20,580 are other parties involved. 312 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:24,317 The thing is, the case is so complex that the solution could 313 00:16:24,417 --> 00:16:29,389 lead to something as simple you as a vagrant or a migrant 314 00:16:29,489 --> 00:16:31,091 on the railroad track doing it, and going away 315 00:16:31,191 --> 00:16:33,693 and us never hearing anything from them again. 316 00:16:33,793 --> 00:16:36,796 Or it could be as complicated as police involvement. 317 00:16:36,896 --> 00:16:38,265 MAN (ON RADIO): --California license plate-- 318 00:16:38,365 --> 00:16:40,567 ROBERT STACK: I remember in the segment the parents were very 319 00:16:40,667 --> 00:16:42,135 frustrated with the fact that they 320 00:16:42,235 --> 00:16:43,236 couldn't get any information? 321 00:16:43,336 --> 00:16:45,038 Do you think there's a cover-up? 322 00:16:45,138 --> 00:16:47,674 RICHARD GARRETT: There certainly was a cover-up at first, 323 00:16:47,774 --> 00:16:53,012 whether inadvertent, through lack of attention, 324 00:16:53,113 --> 00:16:55,648 or through just plain stubbornness when 325 00:16:55,748 --> 00:16:57,717 this thing first got started. 326 00:16:57,817 --> 00:17:00,553 The parents hollered for six months for someone to help them 327 00:17:00,653 --> 00:17:03,022 and for someone to find out what happened to the boys, 328 00:17:03,123 --> 00:17:06,359 and no one would help. 329 00:17:06,459 --> 00:17:09,096 And how has this case affected you personally? 330 00:17:09,196 --> 00:17:11,030 RICHARD GARRETT: I go to bed at night thinking about it 331 00:17:11,131 --> 00:17:13,333 and I wake up in the morning thinking about it. 332 00:17:13,433 --> 00:17:16,969 It's all that's been on my mind. 333 00:17:17,070 --> 00:17:20,307 The majority of my time during the week is devoted to it. 334 00:17:20,407 --> 00:17:25,878 And you just get involved in it and you can't quit. 335 00:17:25,978 --> 00:17:27,414 Thank you, Richard, for being with us. 336 00:17:27,514 --> 00:17:30,417 I hope we helped you in the case. 337 00:17:30,517 --> 00:17:32,419 In a moment, the story of an Air Force 338 00:17:32,519 --> 00:17:34,787 Sergeant who experienced a bizarre phenomenon 339 00:17:34,887 --> 00:17:36,823 called missing time. 340 00:17:36,923 --> 00:17:41,027 In 1966, he vanished for the period of one hour. 341 00:17:41,128 --> 00:17:43,963 You said he had no idea what happened until placed 342 00:17:44,063 --> 00:17:47,534 under hypnosis 20 years later. 343 00:17:47,634 --> 00:17:49,902 [music playing] 344 00:17:55,208 --> 00:17:57,244 Imagine for a moment that you go to the corner 345 00:17:57,344 --> 00:17:59,579 store for a quick errand. 346 00:17:59,679 --> 00:18:01,714 When you return home thinking you've been gone no more 347 00:18:01,814 --> 00:18:04,617 than five minutes, you find that in reality three 348 00:18:04,717 --> 00:18:08,288 hours had passed, and what is more you have no memory of it 349 00:18:08,388 --> 00:18:09,889 at all. 350 00:18:09,989 --> 00:18:11,458 We're about to meet several people who 351 00:18:11,558 --> 00:18:12,892 have dealt with a deeply disturbing 352 00:18:12,992 --> 00:18:15,595 experience of missing time. 353 00:18:15,695 --> 00:18:18,498 Their stories are both bizarre and chilling. 354 00:18:21,334 --> 00:18:23,570 Our first glimpse into the extraordinary phenomenon 355 00:18:23,670 --> 00:18:26,206 of missing time begins simply enough. 356 00:18:29,008 --> 00:18:32,779 At 8:45 PM on October the 1st, 1966, 357 00:18:32,879 --> 00:18:35,014 a bus pulled up in front of Dutra's Market 358 00:18:35,114 --> 00:18:37,417 in the small Cape Cod village of North Truro. 359 00:18:41,421 --> 00:18:43,656 Only one man got off the bus. 360 00:18:43,756 --> 00:18:46,593 He was 19-year-old Airman First Class Robert Matthews, 361 00:18:46,693 --> 00:18:48,428 reporting for his first tour of duty 362 00:18:48,528 --> 00:18:50,797 at a nearby Air Force outpost. 363 00:18:50,897 --> 00:18:52,432 He noticed that the area was deserted. 364 00:19:00,607 --> 00:19:02,509 Matthews was from Philadelphia. 365 00:19:02,609 --> 00:19:04,911 Although he didn't know it, his assignment in Cape Cod 366 00:19:05,011 --> 00:19:08,248 would be a prelude to service in Vietnam. 367 00:19:08,348 --> 00:19:10,317 BOB MATTHEWS: I got off where the bus driver told me where 368 00:19:10,417 --> 00:19:12,619 I was supposed to get off, and then 369 00:19:12,719 --> 00:19:14,421 he told me to phone the base and they would send 370 00:19:14,521 --> 00:19:16,088 a truck down to pick me up. 371 00:19:16,189 --> 00:19:18,391 Yes, I'll be waiting. Thank you, sir. 372 00:19:18,491 --> 00:19:21,561 BOB MATTHEWS: I told him I was in front of Dutra's Market. 373 00:19:21,661 --> 00:19:24,030 And he told me to stay there and that there 374 00:19:24,130 --> 00:19:25,798 would be a truck there to pick me up in a minute. 375 00:19:25,898 --> 00:19:28,201 [music playing] 376 00:19:36,409 --> 00:19:38,044 While I was standing there, I saw 377 00:19:38,144 --> 00:19:43,283 these lights moving from right to left across the sky. 378 00:19:43,383 --> 00:19:45,818 That's when I felt this fear you know. 379 00:19:45,918 --> 00:19:47,186 And I said I better call the base. 380 00:19:52,325 --> 00:19:53,125 Hello. 381 00:19:53,226 --> 00:19:54,694 This is Airman Matthews. 382 00:19:54,794 --> 00:19:55,762 Yes, sir. 383 00:19:55,862 --> 00:19:57,797 Yes, I've been here all the time. 384 00:19:57,897 --> 00:19:59,399 No, I haven't gone anywhere. 385 00:19:59,499 --> 00:20:00,567 Please tell them to hurry. 386 00:20:00,667 --> 00:20:01,834 There's something strange going on out there. 387 00:20:01,934 --> 00:20:03,736 BOB MATTHEWS: When I called the base again, 388 00:20:03,836 --> 00:20:05,438 they asked me where I'd been and I 389 00:20:05,538 --> 00:20:08,741 told them I'd been there in front of Dutra's 390 00:20:08,841 --> 00:20:10,977 you know waiting you know. 391 00:20:11,077 --> 00:20:12,612 And he told me-- he just, well, we sent 392 00:20:12,712 --> 00:20:14,046 a truck down there already. 393 00:20:14,146 --> 00:20:16,816 And I says, well, I've been standing here waiting 394 00:20:16,916 --> 00:20:18,385 and no one's been by here. 395 00:20:18,485 --> 00:20:20,820 Matthews! 396 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:21,721 Matthews! 397 00:20:25,124 --> 00:20:26,693 ROBERT STACK: The Air Force told Bob Matthews 398 00:20:26,793 --> 00:20:29,862 that a driver had arrived to pick him up at 8:50 PM, 399 00:20:29,962 --> 00:20:32,799 just five minutes after his first phone call. 400 00:20:32,899 --> 00:20:35,568 The driver claimed that Matthews was nowhere in sight. 401 00:20:40,072 --> 00:20:43,843 Nearly one hour later at 9:45, the Air Force post received 402 00:20:43,943 --> 00:20:45,978 Matthews' second phone call. 403 00:20:46,078 --> 00:20:49,516 Yet in Bob Matthews' mind, those two phone calls had been made 404 00:20:49,616 --> 00:20:53,219 less than four minutes apart. 405 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,955 MAN: I want to know where you were for that one hour! 406 00:20:56,055 --> 00:20:56,989 In front of the market. 407 00:20:57,089 --> 00:20:58,725 We sent a Jeep out there. 408 00:20:58,825 --> 00:21:00,360 The officer came back and you weren't there. 409 00:21:00,460 --> 00:21:01,961 ROBERT STACK: When Matthews arrived at the post, 410 00:21:02,061 --> 00:21:04,497 he was questioned extensively by Air Force personnel 411 00:21:04,597 --> 00:21:06,766 wearing civilian clothes. 412 00:21:06,866 --> 00:21:08,768 They began to interrogate me about where 413 00:21:08,868 --> 00:21:10,603 I'd been the past hour. 414 00:21:10,703 --> 00:21:11,971 BOB MATTHEWS: I stick to my story. 415 00:21:12,071 --> 00:21:15,207 You know I tell them that I was in Dutra's the whole time. 416 00:21:15,308 --> 00:21:16,976 Matthews, you claim you saw three lights coming 417 00:21:17,076 --> 00:21:18,010 down from the sky at you. 418 00:21:18,110 --> 00:21:19,145 Is that correct? 419 00:21:19,245 --> 00:21:21,113 They were coming from the sky down toward you. 420 00:21:21,213 --> 00:21:22,248 RICHARD GARRETT: They kept asking 421 00:21:22,349 --> 00:21:24,250 me, well, what kind of aircraft did you see, 422 00:21:24,351 --> 00:21:26,319 and what did it do. 423 00:21:26,419 --> 00:21:28,888 And this went on for a long time. 424 00:21:28,988 --> 00:21:31,391 And I thought it was still part of basic training or something. 425 00:21:31,491 --> 00:21:33,860 I thought this is what they do to new guys. 426 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,495 Let me ask you, Matthews, had you been drinking 427 00:21:35,595 --> 00:21:36,696 before you got on the bus? 428 00:21:36,796 --> 00:21:38,365 Had you been drinking while you were on leave? 429 00:21:38,465 --> 00:21:40,733 No. 430 00:21:40,833 --> 00:21:41,801 MAN: Look, I think we all need-- 431 00:21:41,901 --> 00:21:43,135 BUDD HOPKINS: We have this in many cases 432 00:21:43,235 --> 00:21:44,671 where the person is literally gone 433 00:21:44,771 --> 00:21:47,507 but has been consciously unaware of being missing. 434 00:21:47,607 --> 00:21:50,610 It's kind of a mini period of amnesia. 435 00:21:50,710 --> 00:21:53,112 This is what the missing time phenomenon really is. 436 00:21:53,212 --> 00:21:56,449 It is not perceived as a break in which something 437 00:21:56,549 --> 00:21:58,351 happens and then a resumption. 438 00:21:58,451 --> 00:22:02,021 It is time is remembered as continuous, and yet 439 00:22:02,121 --> 00:22:05,525 the half hour trip-- as it turns out to be a two hour trip 440 00:22:05,625 --> 00:22:06,526 or whatever. 441 00:22:06,626 --> 00:22:09,128 And this is sometimes experienced 442 00:22:09,228 --> 00:22:11,297 in conjunction with a UFO sighting 443 00:22:11,398 --> 00:22:15,368 or something like a light, but not always. 444 00:22:15,468 --> 00:22:18,838 ROBERT STACK: In 1964, Hopkins-- a well-known artist-- 445 00:22:18,938 --> 00:22:22,709 experienced a UFO sighting along with several friends. 446 00:22:22,809 --> 00:22:27,113 He delved into the field and became a UFO expert. 447 00:22:27,213 --> 00:22:28,915 BUDD HOPKINS: I began getting phone calls from people 448 00:22:29,015 --> 00:22:31,884 and letters, and many of their sighting reports 449 00:22:31,984 --> 00:22:34,120 had pieces of missing time in them. 450 00:22:34,220 --> 00:22:35,688 They could not account for what-- 451 00:22:35,788 --> 00:22:37,524 why something that should have taken 15 minutes 452 00:22:37,624 --> 00:22:41,260 took two hours and a half, a drive in a car which 453 00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:43,095 involved a sighting of a UFO. 454 00:22:43,195 --> 00:22:44,764 And we began looking into those cases 455 00:22:44,864 --> 00:22:48,501 and discovered one after another of these abduction cases. 456 00:22:48,601 --> 00:22:52,238 And, eventually-- together with a psychologist who was helping 457 00:22:52,338 --> 00:22:53,973 me with this and other investigators-- 458 00:22:54,073 --> 00:22:55,307 we put together many cases, and I 459 00:22:55,408 --> 00:22:56,308 finally wrote a book about it. 460 00:23:01,448 --> 00:23:03,015 ROBERT STACK: Over the past 10 years, 461 00:23:03,115 --> 00:23:04,884 Hopkins has written two books dealing 462 00:23:04,984 --> 00:23:08,921 with the phenomenon of missing time and abduction by aliens. 463 00:23:09,021 --> 00:23:10,590 He has received thousands of letters 464 00:23:10,690 --> 00:23:12,459 from people who believe they have experienced 465 00:23:12,559 --> 00:23:14,561 the missing time abduction. 466 00:23:14,661 --> 00:23:18,197 He has personally investigated more than 200 of them. 467 00:23:18,297 --> 00:23:21,167 What was shocking to me was that it turned out 468 00:23:21,267 --> 00:23:23,603 to seem so incredibly common. 469 00:23:23,703 --> 00:23:27,173 This is extraordinarily widespread. 470 00:23:27,273 --> 00:23:29,476 ROBERT STACK: At the time Hopkins' books came out, 471 00:23:29,576 --> 00:23:32,178 Bob Matthews was wrestling with a secret that had haunted him 472 00:23:32,278 --> 00:23:35,181 for 30 years, a secret that had tormented 473 00:23:35,281 --> 00:23:38,785 him long before his experience at Dutra's Market on Cape Cod. 474 00:23:41,420 --> 00:23:43,890 BOB MATTHEWS: When I was a child-- maybe five or six-- 475 00:23:43,990 --> 00:23:46,392 I just happened to wake up one night. 476 00:23:46,493 --> 00:23:49,295 And I walked to my right in my bedroom 477 00:23:49,395 --> 00:23:51,631 and there was this figure standing there, 478 00:23:51,731 --> 00:23:57,670 a small figure with a green glow to it. 479 00:23:57,770 --> 00:24:01,774 And I sat up in bed, and I tried to scream 480 00:24:01,874 --> 00:24:03,309 and nothing came out of my mouth. 481 00:24:03,409 --> 00:24:07,113 And I thought I had lost my hearing. 482 00:24:07,213 --> 00:24:08,715 I thought I had lost my voice. 483 00:24:08,815 --> 00:24:11,918 I didn't know what was going on. 484 00:24:12,018 --> 00:24:14,521 The next thing I know, everything was black again 485 00:24:14,621 --> 00:24:17,590 and I was laying back down in the bed. 486 00:24:17,690 --> 00:24:22,294 And this thing-- this ghost, I thought at the time-- 487 00:24:22,394 --> 00:24:25,898 when I was a kid, I called it a ghost-- came over and sat down 488 00:24:25,998 --> 00:24:28,801 on my bed and pulled up my pajama top 489 00:24:28,901 --> 00:24:33,172 and-- and I don't know what it did to my chest, 490 00:24:33,272 --> 00:24:36,208 but I knew it was doing something to my chest 491 00:24:36,308 --> 00:24:39,478 at the time, you know? 492 00:24:39,579 --> 00:24:43,349 I told my mother that there was a ghost in my room. 493 00:24:43,449 --> 00:24:46,753 She kept reassuring me that I was only having nightmares, 494 00:24:46,853 --> 00:24:49,622 but I went through all my life doubting my sanity, 495 00:24:49,722 --> 00:24:51,924 wondering whether or not these things have occurred. 496 00:24:54,761 --> 00:24:57,096 ROBERT STACK: Bob Matthews began to resolve his doubts 497 00:24:57,196 --> 00:25:01,734 in the winter of 1987. 498 00:25:01,834 --> 00:25:04,203 BOB MATTHEWS: I was on vacation, looking for something to read 499 00:25:04,303 --> 00:25:06,105 and on the shelf there in front of me 500 00:25:06,205 --> 00:25:11,878 I saw this book with this creature on it, you know? 501 00:25:11,978 --> 00:25:15,447 And when I looked at the book, I said to myself that's the thing 502 00:25:15,548 --> 00:25:16,415 that was in my room. 503 00:25:19,418 --> 00:25:22,288 I read the book and I thought someone had stepped 504 00:25:22,388 --> 00:25:25,191 into my head and taken my inner most fears 505 00:25:25,291 --> 00:25:27,694 and put them in a book. 506 00:25:27,794 --> 00:25:29,295 It brought tears to my eyes, you know? 507 00:25:29,395 --> 00:25:30,697 I couldn't believe this was actually 508 00:25:30,797 --> 00:25:34,233 happening to someone else. 509 00:25:34,333 --> 00:25:35,668 BUDD HOPKINS: When Bob called me, 510 00:25:35,768 --> 00:25:37,704 it had that familiar ring of truth 511 00:25:37,804 --> 00:25:40,072 to me, as did the details of his case. 512 00:25:40,172 --> 00:25:42,508 He was quite convinced that this was not a dream. 513 00:25:42,609 --> 00:25:50,082 He sounded troubled, curious, very, very stable. 514 00:25:50,182 --> 00:25:52,251 ROBERT STACK: After weeks of intensive interviews, 515 00:25:52,351 --> 00:25:54,821 Budd Hopkins put Bob Matthews under hypnosis 516 00:25:54,921 --> 00:25:58,524 to explore the details of Bob's childhood experiences. 517 00:25:58,625 --> 00:26:00,793 While he was hypnotized, Bob also 518 00:26:00,893 --> 00:26:03,596 began to recall what happened to him that night 519 00:26:03,696 --> 00:26:04,731 outside Dutra's Market. 520 00:26:05,732 --> 00:26:10,703 It's evening, October 1, 1966. 521 00:26:10,803 --> 00:26:13,405 Now, very relaxed, Bob, I want you to feel 522 00:26:13,505 --> 00:26:15,207 the movement of that bus. 523 00:26:15,307 --> 00:26:17,744 You can feel that bus rolling along 524 00:26:17,844 --> 00:26:20,980 and the sound-- hypnosis is often very useful. 525 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:22,849 Even the AMA's report on hypnosis 526 00:26:22,949 --> 00:26:25,284 has said that it's a very proper method 527 00:26:25,384 --> 00:26:27,319 of retrieving lost memories. 528 00:26:27,419 --> 00:26:31,090 So I connected myself with a psychiatrist and a couple 529 00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:34,193 of psychologists who were doing the hypnosis, 530 00:26:34,293 --> 00:26:37,196 and we began looking into a number of cases. 531 00:26:37,296 --> 00:26:39,298 Something was really, really wrong, because all 532 00:26:39,398 --> 00:26:41,300 of a sudden I got very afraid. 533 00:26:44,336 --> 00:26:46,673 BUDD HOPKINS: Bob Matthews' case is really typical and a very 534 00:26:46,773 --> 00:26:49,041 good missing time case, because the fact that there is 535 00:26:49,141 --> 00:26:50,977 an indirect witness to his having 536 00:26:51,077 --> 00:26:55,381 been missing during a missing time period is very important. 537 00:26:55,481 --> 00:26:56,883 BOB MATTHEWS: I'm going to call the base. 538 00:26:56,983 --> 00:27:00,887 I'm going to call the base and tell them, you know, 539 00:27:00,987 --> 00:27:07,727 that there's something strange happening here. 540 00:27:07,827 --> 00:27:10,029 ROBERT STACK: Bob's recollections were so vivid 541 00:27:10,129 --> 00:27:12,298 that he was able to return to Cape Cod 542 00:27:12,398 --> 00:27:14,333 and reconstruct what he believes took 543 00:27:14,433 --> 00:27:17,169 place outside Dutra's Market. 544 00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:22,274 BOB MATTHEWS: Under hypnosis, I observed in the sky 545 00:27:22,374 --> 00:27:27,880 two, three lights moving in this direction. 546 00:27:27,980 --> 00:27:34,086 They hovered over here, and the red one came at me so fast. 547 00:27:34,186 --> 00:27:35,554 It just got there so quick. 548 00:27:35,654 --> 00:27:38,424 I-- if I had blinked my eye, I don't 549 00:27:38,524 --> 00:27:42,361 think I would have seen it, but it got there so quick, 550 00:27:42,461 --> 00:27:43,362 you know? 551 00:27:43,462 --> 00:27:44,764 BUDD HOPKINS: Mhm. 552 00:27:44,864 --> 00:27:54,974 And it just momentarily hovers right on the parking lot there. 553 00:27:55,074 --> 00:27:56,142 BUDD HOPKINS: Mhm. 554 00:27:56,242 --> 00:28:01,580 And I can see some light coming from a crack. 555 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:06,452 It's like a ramp opens down, and I can see a lot of light 556 00:28:06,552 --> 00:28:08,320 coming out of there. 557 00:28:08,420 --> 00:28:11,891 Right over here is about where the ramp was, right here. 558 00:28:11,991 --> 00:28:15,962 Part of it was still out in the road. 559 00:28:16,062 --> 00:28:17,663 I walked up to it. 560 00:28:17,764 --> 00:28:24,036 I walked up the ramp, and I looked inside, 561 00:28:24,136 --> 00:28:27,940 and I saw four beings sitting over here on the left. 562 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,509 There was two sitting on the right. 563 00:28:30,609 --> 00:28:34,446 And the place reminded me of a doctor's office. 564 00:28:34,546 --> 00:28:37,049 I mean, it was clinical. 565 00:28:37,149 --> 00:28:39,752 It looked clean. 566 00:28:39,852 --> 00:28:42,254 I remember sitting down on the table-- sitting down 567 00:28:42,354 --> 00:28:43,956 on the bench, and I remember looking down 568 00:28:44,056 --> 00:28:48,227 and I saw that my shoes were off and my shirt was off. 569 00:28:48,327 --> 00:28:49,896 And they came over. 570 00:28:49,996 --> 00:28:52,464 They examined my chest. 571 00:28:52,564 --> 00:28:56,202 He looks at my chest and the two of them, 572 00:28:56,302 --> 00:28:58,170 it's like they have a discussion with each other. 573 00:28:58,270 --> 00:28:59,605 And it's like-- 574 00:28:59,705 --> 00:29:01,040 BUDD HOPKINS: Every single case we 575 00:29:01,140 --> 00:29:04,276 came out with a scenario, which was exactly 576 00:29:04,376 --> 00:29:06,145 like the other scenarios. 577 00:29:06,245 --> 00:29:10,649 They're taken into a craft, a landed UFO, put on a table. 578 00:29:10,749 --> 00:29:12,318 Their clothes are removed. 579 00:29:12,418 --> 00:29:15,454 They seem to have no will or no ability to resist. 580 00:29:15,554 --> 00:29:16,823 They are then physically examined. 581 00:29:16,923 --> 00:29:19,425 The descriptions of the procedures, 582 00:29:19,525 --> 00:29:22,428 what follows what, what kinds of things happened 583 00:29:22,528 --> 00:29:23,830 are extremely similar. 584 00:29:23,930 --> 00:29:26,565 Samples are taken during that time-- sometimes blood samples, 585 00:29:26,665 --> 00:29:28,667 but often skin scrapings, and very 586 00:29:28,767 --> 00:29:31,037 often sperm and ova samples. 587 00:29:31,137 --> 00:29:33,873 The descriptions that we're getting of the UFO occupants, 588 00:29:33,973 --> 00:29:36,742 at about 85%, are extremely similar. 589 00:29:36,843 --> 00:29:39,378 The figures are little, between 3 and 1/2 590 00:29:39,478 --> 00:29:42,581 and 5 feet tall, extremely slender. 591 00:29:42,681 --> 00:29:44,616 They have a grayish white skin. 592 00:29:44,716 --> 00:29:46,785 They have very large craniums. 593 00:29:46,886 --> 00:29:49,555 The eyes are often very, very black. 594 00:29:49,655 --> 00:29:51,958 The mouth is a slit, which never seems to move 595 00:29:52,058 --> 00:29:54,726 and there are no ears. 596 00:29:54,827 --> 00:29:57,796 I'm the first one to admit how outrageous all of this is. 597 00:29:57,897 --> 00:29:59,798 The people to whom it happens also 598 00:29:59,899 --> 00:30:02,869 say this just can't happen. 599 00:30:02,969 --> 00:30:05,671 Sometimes I even think it's harder for people like us 600 00:30:05,771 --> 00:30:08,207 to believe it than the outside-- people 601 00:30:08,307 --> 00:30:10,142 that it hasn't happened to. 602 00:30:10,242 --> 00:30:12,378 I'm as much a skeptic as anybody else. 603 00:30:12,478 --> 00:30:17,216 I mean, I wasn't born believing that UFOs existed. 604 00:30:17,316 --> 00:30:19,785 Of course, I mean, you know I get up in the morning and say, 605 00:30:19,886 --> 00:30:20,819 no. 606 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,588 That can't be, just that's ridiculous. 607 00:30:22,688 --> 00:30:24,924 I can't use those words abducted by aliens. 608 00:30:25,024 --> 00:30:26,993 I just don't know what it was. 609 00:30:27,093 --> 00:30:29,695 I know that some people came and did some things to me, 610 00:30:29,795 --> 00:30:30,762 but where did they come from? 611 00:30:30,863 --> 00:30:32,031 I don't know. 612 00:30:32,131 --> 00:30:35,201 I've worked with intensively with about 11 abductees. 613 00:30:35,301 --> 00:30:39,405 And I would say, to my mind, seven of them 614 00:30:39,505 --> 00:30:43,609 seem to be valid in terms of the material that they present. 615 00:30:43,709 --> 00:30:45,177 Nobody's ever been through should ever wish-- 616 00:30:45,277 --> 00:30:47,546 ROBERT STACK: Budd Hopkins has organized support groups 617 00:30:47,646 --> 00:30:49,916 so that people who believe they are victims of missing 618 00:30:50,016 --> 00:30:52,818 time and alien abduction can compare 619 00:30:52,919 --> 00:30:56,255 their disturbing experiences. 620 00:30:56,355 --> 00:30:58,290 The big question is, why me? 621 00:30:58,390 --> 00:30:59,992 MAN: Yeah. - I think we all ask that. 622 00:31:00,092 --> 00:31:01,160 SUSAN FOX: I was utterly skeptical. 623 00:31:01,260 --> 00:31:04,430 I thought it was complete hogwash, hocus pocus, 624 00:31:04,530 --> 00:31:08,134 abducted by aliens, except for the fact that there were 625 00:31:08,234 --> 00:31:12,204 these patients of mine who I knew to be very trustworthy, 626 00:31:12,304 --> 00:31:15,174 very honest, very un-crazy people, 627 00:31:15,274 --> 00:31:19,811 just your garden variety Boston area folks, 628 00:31:19,912 --> 00:31:22,181 and they were reporting strange things. 629 00:31:22,281 --> 00:31:25,952 How many experiences does each of you 630 00:31:26,052 --> 00:31:28,087 remember having or think you've had? 631 00:31:28,187 --> 00:31:31,023 I would say at least 10-- I mean, 10 that I know of. 632 00:31:31,123 --> 00:31:34,593 And Budd and I have done hypnosis on about six of them. 633 00:31:34,693 --> 00:31:37,363 ROBERT STACK: Kristina Florence is a New York choreographer who 634 00:31:37,463 --> 00:31:40,066 feels she has had multiple experiences of missing 635 00:31:40,166 --> 00:31:41,200 time and alien abduction. 636 00:31:41,300 --> 00:31:42,101 --nothing happened. 637 00:31:42,201 --> 00:31:44,603 And, I mean, I've got-- 638 00:31:44,703 --> 00:31:46,238 There is no question that these stories 639 00:31:46,338 --> 00:31:48,540 stretch the imagination. 640 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,376 Perhaps as a skeptic suggests, they 641 00:31:50,476 --> 00:31:53,946 could be the product of some kind of mass hallucination. 642 00:31:54,046 --> 00:31:55,714 But the people we interviewed sincerely 643 00:31:55,814 --> 00:31:58,117 believe what happened is real. 644 00:31:58,217 --> 00:32:01,853 When we return, we'll hear Kristina Florence's story. 645 00:32:01,954 --> 00:32:05,191 Incredibly, her experiences and others like hers 646 00:32:05,291 --> 00:32:08,794 suggest that some sort of genetic experimentation 647 00:32:08,894 --> 00:32:13,065 is being conducted on the victims of missing time. 648 00:32:13,165 --> 00:32:14,933 [music playing] 649 00:32:17,336 --> 00:32:21,974 The Mojave Desert, 1974-- Kristina Florence 650 00:32:22,074 --> 00:32:25,544 was 17 years old when she, her mother, and her older sister 651 00:32:25,644 --> 00:32:29,048 crossed the Mojave en route to San Francisco. 652 00:32:29,148 --> 00:32:32,851 Near Barstow, California, their car overheated and they took 653 00:32:32,951 --> 00:32:34,653 the first exit off the highway. 654 00:32:34,753 --> 00:32:35,621 You girls stay in the car. 655 00:32:35,721 --> 00:32:36,655 Oh, mom. 656 00:32:36,755 --> 00:32:37,990 Roll up the windows and lock the door. 657 00:32:38,090 --> 00:32:39,058 Yes, please-- 658 00:32:39,158 --> 00:32:39,725 KRISTINA FLORENCE: Somewhere along the line 659 00:32:39,825 --> 00:32:40,492 we got to this park. 660 00:32:40,592 --> 00:32:41,493 We're going to suffocate. 661 00:32:41,593 --> 00:32:43,295 Mom, don't you think we're old enough 662 00:32:43,395 --> 00:32:44,930 to handle this on our own? 663 00:32:45,031 --> 00:32:46,432 MOM: We're having a problem with this engine. 664 00:32:46,532 --> 00:32:49,101 I have to go get some water. 665 00:32:49,201 --> 00:32:51,670 KRISTINA FLORENCE: At that point, she just walked away. 666 00:32:51,770 --> 00:32:52,804 Where was she going? 667 00:32:52,904 --> 00:32:57,509 I don't know, but she said stay in the car. 668 00:32:57,609 --> 00:32:59,378 [music playing] 669 00:33:00,446 --> 00:33:01,113 We're not supposed to go outside. 670 00:33:01,213 --> 00:33:02,248 She said stay in the car. 671 00:33:02,348 --> 00:33:03,682 Well, I am doing it. 672 00:33:10,489 --> 00:33:11,957 KRISTINA FLORENCE: My sister got out of the car 673 00:33:12,058 --> 00:33:14,493 and I heard her run around the back, and all of a sudden 674 00:33:14,593 --> 00:33:15,827 she said, oh my god. 675 00:33:15,927 --> 00:33:16,762 Come out here quick. 676 00:33:26,072 --> 00:33:28,707 And the next thing I remembered consciously 677 00:33:28,807 --> 00:33:30,576 was that we were lying on this blanket 678 00:33:30,676 --> 00:33:34,346 in the middle of the park as if we'd had a little nap, 679 00:33:34,446 --> 00:33:36,115 just lying there. 680 00:33:36,215 --> 00:33:38,084 Our mom was still not around, and we woke up 681 00:33:38,184 --> 00:33:40,086 and it was like, whoa what happened. 682 00:33:40,186 --> 00:33:42,121 And then the next thing I remember, the three of us 683 00:33:42,221 --> 00:33:43,389 were just driving like hell. 684 00:33:46,525 --> 00:33:48,627 We never talked about it until my sister 685 00:33:48,727 --> 00:33:50,229 just called me up one day. 686 00:33:50,329 --> 00:33:52,231 And we sort of began to talk about it further 687 00:33:52,331 --> 00:33:55,434 and realized that we'd both had this very bizarre memory 688 00:33:55,534 --> 00:33:58,704 of this missing time thing. 689 00:33:58,804 --> 00:34:00,306 And she knew about Budd, and she suggests 690 00:34:00,406 --> 00:34:01,507 that I get in touch with Budd. 691 00:34:01,607 --> 00:34:05,477 She had to sort of crank up her courage 692 00:34:05,577 --> 00:34:07,646 to look into it and it was reluctant-- 693 00:34:07,746 --> 00:34:09,748 she was reluctant to do so. 694 00:34:09,848 --> 00:34:11,217 I wasn't interested in UFOs. 695 00:34:11,317 --> 00:34:13,619 I wasn't interested in finding out-- meeting 696 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,756 some guy doing UFO research. 697 00:34:17,856 --> 00:34:19,691 In New Mexico-- 698 00:34:19,791 --> 00:34:23,895 ROBERT STACK: In 1986, Kristina agreed to undergo hypnosis, 699 00:34:23,995 --> 00:34:25,831 hoping she could recall some details 700 00:34:25,931 --> 00:34:28,367 about what had happened to her and her sister 701 00:34:28,467 --> 00:34:31,036 that afternoon in Barstow. 702 00:34:31,137 --> 00:34:36,007 At some point, your mother pulls off the road. 703 00:34:36,108 --> 00:34:39,178 You can feel the car move as it turns off the road. 704 00:34:39,278 --> 00:34:42,013 And you can see your mother, and you can see yourself there. 705 00:34:42,114 --> 00:34:44,015 You're there with Vicki. 706 00:34:44,116 --> 00:34:45,884 KRISTINA FLORENCE: Under hypnosis, I 707 00:34:45,984 --> 00:34:48,387 start having this picture that my sister's 708 00:34:48,487 --> 00:34:49,321 getting out of the car. 709 00:34:52,524 --> 00:34:54,092 And then I get out of the car, and I looked up 710 00:34:54,193 --> 00:34:56,162 and there was something above the car. 711 00:35:00,799 --> 00:35:01,600 And I was so scared. 712 00:35:01,700 --> 00:35:02,801 I didn't know what it was. 713 00:35:02,901 --> 00:35:05,171 I ran back to the car, and she ran back. 714 00:35:05,271 --> 00:35:08,174 And she got herself crunched under the dashboard. 715 00:35:08,274 --> 00:35:09,508 She was so scared. 716 00:35:09,608 --> 00:35:11,443 And I was trying to start the car and it wouldn't start. 717 00:35:11,543 --> 00:35:12,844 [engine sputtering] 718 00:35:15,747 --> 00:35:17,082 I don't know what they're doing. 719 00:35:17,183 --> 00:35:18,384 KRISTINA FLORENCE: Then the next memory 720 00:35:18,484 --> 00:35:20,986 that I had into the hypnosis was that I was on a table 721 00:35:21,086 --> 00:35:22,221 and there were some people around. 722 00:35:22,321 --> 00:35:24,089 It's like they're pulling on my leg. 723 00:35:26,925 --> 00:35:28,394 KRISTINA FLORENCE: There was this screen. 724 00:35:28,494 --> 00:35:30,729 It was about as wide as a large television screen. 725 00:35:30,829 --> 00:35:32,564 But it was paper thin, and it was 726 00:35:32,664 --> 00:35:35,434 just moving around the table and it wasn't attached to anything. 727 00:35:35,534 --> 00:35:37,503 And I could see three dimensional shapes 728 00:35:37,603 --> 00:35:40,306 of my skull and my whole body. 729 00:35:40,406 --> 00:35:41,940 It was just taking pictures. 730 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,444 And it was just this huge, spherical room that 731 00:35:45,544 --> 00:35:47,779 was just covered with dials. 732 00:35:47,879 --> 00:35:49,147 There wasn't space. 733 00:35:49,248 --> 00:35:51,082 It was just dials. 734 00:35:51,183 --> 00:35:53,619 And I felt like they put like these rubber pants 735 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,822 on me or something with things attached. 736 00:35:56,922 --> 00:35:59,358 And then they left the room and I laid there. 737 00:35:59,458 --> 00:36:01,193 And I was asking for my sister, and somebody 738 00:36:01,293 --> 00:36:02,761 was telling me she's OK. 739 00:36:02,861 --> 00:36:04,430 She's all right. 740 00:36:04,530 --> 00:36:06,765 And then the dial started going in, and they came back in, 741 00:36:06,865 --> 00:36:09,568 and that's the last thing I remember. 742 00:36:09,668 --> 00:36:12,170 Then we were back on the grass. 743 00:36:12,271 --> 00:36:16,242 Kristina Florence I think is, without a doubt, absolute, 744 00:36:16,342 --> 00:36:18,444 utterly, totally legit. 745 00:36:18,544 --> 00:36:22,013 She is a very trustworthy, very honest person 746 00:36:22,113 --> 00:36:24,216 who I've talked to several times, 747 00:36:24,316 --> 00:36:26,852 and she's angry about what's happened to her. 748 00:36:26,952 --> 00:36:28,754 She doesn't like what's happened to her. 749 00:36:28,854 --> 00:36:30,722 She's been able to incorporate it into her life 750 00:36:30,822 --> 00:36:33,892 and get on with her life, despite this. 751 00:36:33,992 --> 00:36:42,768 WOMAN: Four and go, and go, and step back. 752 00:36:42,868 --> 00:36:44,436 KRISTINA FLORENCE: I live a perfectly normal life. 753 00:36:44,536 --> 00:36:45,971 You know I have a dance company. 754 00:36:46,071 --> 00:36:47,373 I go to work every day. 755 00:36:47,473 --> 00:36:48,307 I have an apartment. 756 00:36:48,407 --> 00:36:49,207 I have two cats. 757 00:36:49,308 --> 00:36:50,642 I have a perfectly normal life. 758 00:36:50,742 --> 00:36:51,543 I'm not crazy. 759 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:55,947 There's definitely something going on. 760 00:36:56,047 --> 00:36:57,649 And what it is, I don't know. 761 00:36:57,749 --> 00:37:00,452 I could be having a dream and everyone else 762 00:37:00,552 --> 00:37:05,557 is having the same dream, but I'm not lying 763 00:37:05,657 --> 00:37:07,626 and I'm not crazy. 764 00:37:07,726 --> 00:37:09,995 ROBERT STACK: If Kristina and Bob Matthews and the hundreds 765 00:37:10,095 --> 00:37:12,798 of others like them are not lying, if we even 766 00:37:12,898 --> 00:37:16,402 admit the possibility that these abductions have occurred, 767 00:37:16,502 --> 00:37:18,937 it raises a frightening question. 768 00:37:19,037 --> 00:37:21,740 Why are the abductors here? 769 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,943 BUDD HOPKINS: Ultimately, the focus becomes reproductive, 770 00:37:25,043 --> 00:37:28,046 and the interest seems to have to do with taking sperm and ova 771 00:37:28,146 --> 00:37:33,419 samples-- and the whole central focus of these-- 772 00:37:33,519 --> 00:37:34,753 of the physical part of it-- seems 773 00:37:34,853 --> 00:37:38,256 to deal with the idea of an ongoing genetic experiment. 774 00:37:38,357 --> 00:37:40,359 And these abductees are, let's say, 775 00:37:40,459 --> 00:37:45,464 involuntary victims or specimen in this 776 00:37:45,564 --> 00:37:47,833 ongoing genetic experiment. 777 00:37:47,933 --> 00:37:50,268 There's an incredibly high incidence 778 00:37:50,369 --> 00:37:53,739 of gynecological, physiological history 779 00:37:53,839 --> 00:37:56,241 of symptoms that has just not appeared 780 00:37:56,342 --> 00:37:58,444 in the rest of the population. 781 00:37:58,544 --> 00:38:00,178 Every time I meet one of these people 782 00:38:00,278 --> 00:38:01,580 and I say, well, what is your history? 783 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:06,318 There is almost always something like ovarian cancer at a very 784 00:38:06,418 --> 00:38:11,056 young age, an ovarian cyst that burst in the ovary was removed, 785 00:38:11,156 --> 00:38:15,361 or some kind of strange thing with twisted fallopian tubes, 786 00:38:15,461 --> 00:38:17,763 all kinds of weird, bizarre things 787 00:38:17,863 --> 00:38:19,898 that have happened that just don't happen. 788 00:38:19,998 --> 00:38:22,067 I mean, women have gynecological problems 789 00:38:22,167 --> 00:38:24,002 but not to this degree. 790 00:38:24,102 --> 00:38:27,339 A lot of us have had false pregnancies, 791 00:38:27,439 --> 00:38:29,708 miscarriages after three months of pregnant-- 792 00:38:29,808 --> 00:38:32,043 abortions where there actually was nothing that-- 793 00:38:32,143 --> 00:38:34,646 nothing was found. 794 00:38:34,746 --> 00:38:39,451 And I don't know what that's for or what that's about. 795 00:38:39,551 --> 00:38:40,586 ROBERT STACK: The thought of aliens 796 00:38:40,686 --> 00:38:42,488 conducting reproductive experiments 797 00:38:42,588 --> 00:38:44,322 seems totally unbelievable. 798 00:38:44,423 --> 00:38:45,624 WOMAN: Is it going to be-- 799 00:38:45,724 --> 00:38:47,526 ROBERT STACK: Yet those who have experienced it insist 800 00:38:47,626 --> 00:38:49,661 it is real, painfully real. 801 00:38:49,761 --> 00:38:54,065 --this time, and I wish the people that ridiculed us could 802 00:38:54,165 --> 00:38:59,104 live one day and one night in my body, but I don't want anybody 803 00:38:59,204 --> 00:39:01,707 to go through what I live with. 804 00:39:01,807 --> 00:39:05,877 BUDD HOPKINS: The numbers of cases, the amount of distress-- 805 00:39:05,977 --> 00:39:09,014 emotional distress-- the consistency of the accounts, 806 00:39:09,114 --> 00:39:12,350 the physical marks, the weight of the evidence 807 00:39:12,451 --> 00:39:15,320 is so powerful now that even if I 808 00:39:15,421 --> 00:39:19,324 wished for the luxury of disbelief, 809 00:39:19,425 --> 00:39:21,126 it's not possible for me anymore. 810 00:39:21,226 --> 00:39:22,894 And that's unfortunate. 811 00:39:22,994 --> 00:39:26,097 It would be, in a certain sense, life 812 00:39:26,197 --> 00:39:29,701 would be a lot simpler and nicer if this would somehow go away. 813 00:39:29,801 --> 00:39:32,137 It can't make sense and it doesn't make sense. 814 00:39:32,237 --> 00:39:35,273 So we're stuck, really, trying to make sense out of something 815 00:39:35,373 --> 00:39:36,508 that doesn't make sense. 816 00:39:36,608 --> 00:39:39,110 But that is no reason to dismiss it out of hand. 817 00:39:39,210 --> 00:39:42,347 And I would really like to get to the bottom of it someday. 818 00:39:42,448 --> 00:39:43,649 I'd really like to know what it's 819 00:39:43,749 --> 00:39:47,285 about, because the hard part of it is just not knowing. 820 00:39:47,385 --> 00:39:50,255 If the scientists were doing what they are supposed 821 00:39:50,355 --> 00:39:52,991 to be doing, they should be doing this 822 00:39:53,091 --> 00:39:56,194 and it shouldn't be left to people like myself. 823 00:39:56,294 --> 00:39:59,130 The existence of an extraordinary phenomenon-- 824 00:39:59,230 --> 00:40:03,034 as this is-- demands an extraordinary investigation. 825 00:40:03,134 --> 00:40:07,405 And, unfortunately, most of the proper scientific community 826 00:40:07,506 --> 00:40:11,877 is sitting on the sidelines, leaving it up to the rest of us 827 00:40:11,977 --> 00:40:16,615 to look into, and it's not what should be happening. 828 00:40:16,715 --> 00:40:20,752 ROBERT STACK: Abduction by aliens, it seems outrageous, 829 00:40:20,852 --> 00:40:23,121 yet those who have experienced missing time episodes 830 00:40:23,221 --> 00:40:25,624 believe that is exactly what happened to them. 831 00:40:25,724 --> 00:40:28,059 Of course, there's no proof either way. 832 00:40:28,159 --> 00:40:30,295 Until there is, even the most skeptical among us 833 00:40:30,395 --> 00:40:32,598 must admit at least the slim possibility 834 00:40:32,698 --> 00:40:34,399 that these unbelievable events might 835 00:40:34,500 --> 00:40:36,702 actually have taken place. 836 00:40:36,802 --> 00:40:39,070 [music playing] 837 00:40:43,909 --> 00:40:45,977 ROBERT STACK: Rogest Cain had always hoped to build a better 838 00:40:46,077 --> 00:40:47,946 life for his seven children. 839 00:40:48,046 --> 00:40:51,983 In 1958, Rogest moved from Mississippi to Los Angeles, 840 00:40:52,083 --> 00:40:54,853 and for the first time ever was able to give his children 841 00:40:54,953 --> 00:40:57,489 advantages he never had. 842 00:40:57,589 --> 00:40:59,390 My dad was a caring man. 843 00:40:59,491 --> 00:41:01,960 He was the type of father that would take his kids 844 00:41:02,060 --> 00:41:05,797 to Disneyland, Long Beach, Dodger Stadium, 845 00:41:05,897 --> 00:41:07,999 different amusement parks. 846 00:41:08,099 --> 00:41:11,436 He always wanted to share time with his kids. 847 00:41:11,537 --> 00:41:13,204 I think also his job played a big part, 848 00:41:13,304 --> 00:41:15,641 and in order for him to be a good father, 849 00:41:15,741 --> 00:41:19,645 he had to fulfill those duties with the job. 850 00:41:19,745 --> 00:41:22,247 ROBERT STACK: Rogest was 62 and worked for the Department 851 00:41:22,347 --> 00:41:24,215 of Parks and Recreation. 852 00:41:24,315 --> 00:41:27,786 He rarely missed a day on the job. 853 00:41:27,886 --> 00:41:29,287 [dog barking] 854 00:41:30,856 --> 00:41:34,025 On the afternoon of February 19, 1986, 855 00:41:34,125 --> 00:41:35,894 Rogest told his sister that he was going 856 00:41:35,994 --> 00:41:38,830 to a local hardware store. 857 00:41:38,930 --> 00:41:40,966 His family never saw him again. 858 00:41:41,066 --> 00:41:42,300 [dog barking] 859 00:41:43,835 --> 00:41:46,705 Rogest Cain is like millions of Americans, whose virtues are 860 00:41:46,805 --> 00:41:48,874 steadiness and reliability, and his praises 861 00:41:48,974 --> 00:41:51,376 remain largely unsung. 862 00:41:51,476 --> 00:41:54,546 Because stability is a quality we tend to take for granted, 863 00:41:54,646 --> 00:41:56,882 a man like Rogest who has both a solid employee 864 00:41:56,982 --> 00:41:59,417 and a steadfast family man, is often not 865 00:41:59,517 --> 00:42:01,587 appreciated until he is gone. 866 00:42:05,390 --> 00:42:07,125 Several clues have surfaced to suggest 867 00:42:07,225 --> 00:42:09,628 that Rogest is still alive. 868 00:42:09,728 --> 00:42:11,763 The day after Rogest disappeared, 869 00:42:11,863 --> 00:42:14,365 he called a neighbor and told her he didn't feel well 870 00:42:14,465 --> 00:42:16,401 and would not be going to work. 871 00:42:16,501 --> 00:42:20,171 THERESA WARNER: So immediately I knew something was wrong. 872 00:42:20,271 --> 00:42:22,407 And we proceeded to call the police 873 00:42:22,507 --> 00:42:25,811 departments, the hospitals, the nursing 874 00:42:25,911 --> 00:42:29,581 homes, all my relatives. 875 00:42:29,681 --> 00:42:32,383 ROBERT STACK: Two days later, a private security company 876 00:42:32,483 --> 00:42:34,586 in an affluent neighborhood spotted a man whom they 877 00:42:34,686 --> 00:42:36,855 believed to be Rogest Cain. 878 00:42:36,955 --> 00:42:39,257 The man appeared confused and gave them a phone number-- 879 00:42:39,357 --> 00:42:40,558 Hi. Can I help you with something? 880 00:42:40,659 --> 00:42:41,693 ROBERT STACK: --belonging to Rogest's sister, Theresa. 881 00:42:41,793 --> 00:42:42,894 Is there a family member I can call, maybe, 882 00:42:42,994 --> 00:42:44,696 somebody I can get a hold of to come pick you up? 883 00:42:44,796 --> 00:42:47,132 ROBERT STACK: When Theresa arrived to pick up her brother, 884 00:42:47,232 --> 00:42:50,936 the man had disappeared. 885 00:42:51,036 --> 00:42:53,038 One month later, Rogest's car was 886 00:42:53,138 --> 00:42:57,709 found parked on a busy street 22 miles from his home. 887 00:42:57,809 --> 00:43:00,979 Remarkably, all his papers-- his GI bill, 888 00:43:01,079 --> 00:43:03,214 the deed to his property, and his insurance 889 00:43:03,314 --> 00:43:06,652 policies, as well as his glasses and false teeth-- 890 00:43:06,752 --> 00:43:08,319 were in the car. 891 00:43:08,419 --> 00:43:10,021 DEBRA CAIN: And there were pieces of paper 892 00:43:10,121 --> 00:43:12,490 with my sister's phone number where he was 893 00:43:12,590 --> 00:43:15,226 writing it over and over again. 894 00:43:15,326 --> 00:43:20,031 And it made me think that he was trying to remember it. 895 00:43:20,131 --> 00:43:23,134 ROBERT STACK: At a gas station next to Rogest's abandoned car, 896 00:43:23,234 --> 00:43:24,469 police learned that he had talked 897 00:43:24,569 --> 00:43:28,506 with a mechanic on the day after he disappeared. 898 00:43:28,606 --> 00:43:32,077 The mechanic told us that our father had brought the car in 899 00:43:32,177 --> 00:43:35,013 and he needed it to be repaired. 900 00:43:35,113 --> 00:43:38,416 And he paid for the car before he left. 901 00:43:38,516 --> 00:43:39,651 What's it going to cost? 902 00:43:39,751 --> 00:43:41,252 You're looking at about $40. 903 00:43:41,352 --> 00:43:42,153 $40? 904 00:43:42,253 --> 00:43:44,189 OK, I'll pay you now, OK? 905 00:43:44,289 --> 00:43:45,323 Now is fine. 906 00:43:45,423 --> 00:43:47,893 The person at the station told us 907 00:43:47,993 --> 00:43:51,596 that he was last seen walking away from the station, 908 00:43:51,697 --> 00:43:58,169 kind of staggering, swaying, that his speech was slurred. 909 00:43:58,269 --> 00:43:59,637 DOUG HASKIN: At that time was when we really 910 00:43:59,738 --> 00:44:03,008 felt that he may have suffered a slight stroke causing 911 00:44:03,108 --> 00:44:05,911 some type of memory impairment. 912 00:44:06,011 --> 00:44:10,515 He had a telephone credit card on him when he was missing, 913 00:44:10,615 --> 00:44:15,220 and that credit card was used on a number of occasions 914 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:19,290 after he was last seen by the security company. 915 00:44:19,390 --> 00:44:21,026 ROBERT STACK: The calls made on Rogest's credit card 916 00:44:21,126 --> 00:44:22,493 were traced. 917 00:44:22,593 --> 00:44:24,395 All of them were numbers from want ads 918 00:44:24,495 --> 00:44:27,198 printed in a local newspaper. 919 00:44:27,298 --> 00:44:28,366 DOUG HASKIN: I think when he became 920 00:44:28,466 --> 00:44:30,936 lost he had that need to work. 921 00:44:31,036 --> 00:44:32,570 He had no money. 922 00:44:32,670 --> 00:44:35,373 He had enough faculties about him 923 00:44:35,473 --> 00:44:38,609 that his natural instinct to survive took over 924 00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:41,279 and Ro just did make some of those calls using 925 00:44:41,379 --> 00:44:43,715 his telephone credit card. 926 00:44:43,815 --> 00:44:46,952 He was probably picked up, either by a law enforcement 927 00:44:47,052 --> 00:44:50,688 agency or even our paramedics and transported 928 00:44:50,789 --> 00:44:55,794 to a hospital for medical treatment as a John Doe. 929 00:44:55,894 --> 00:44:57,128 And he's probably still there. 930 00:45:01,199 --> 00:45:03,001 THERESA WARNER: I don't give up. 931 00:45:03,101 --> 00:45:08,840 I still pray that I find him somewhere one day. 932 00:45:08,940 --> 00:45:19,117 I just feel it within my heart that he'll be all right. 933 00:45:19,217 --> 00:45:20,919 [music playing] 934 00:45:21,019 --> 00:45:23,288 ROBERT STACK: Update, Topeka, Kansas-- the night 935 00:45:23,388 --> 00:45:25,523 after our broadcast, police received a call 936 00:45:25,623 --> 00:45:27,358 from a man who believed he recognized 937 00:45:27,458 --> 00:45:31,196 Rogest Cain as a local resident named Elmer Jackson. 938 00:45:31,296 --> 00:45:34,866 ED KUEHL: The caller said when he'd seen him on TV that he 939 00:45:34,966 --> 00:45:37,135 was positive it was him. 940 00:45:37,235 --> 00:45:39,270 And in questioning him, that's when he came up 941 00:45:39,370 --> 00:45:41,940 with the mannerisms, the fact that he had 942 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:48,446 no dentures at that time, a scar on his body, which I don't 943 00:45:48,546 --> 00:45:51,682 think anybody probably knew, except maybe the Los Angeles 944 00:45:51,783 --> 00:45:53,952 Police and the relatives. 945 00:45:54,052 --> 00:45:55,653 ROBERT STACK: Acting on a caller's tip, 946 00:45:55,753 --> 00:45:57,956 police attempted to locate Elmer Jackson, 947 00:45:58,056 --> 00:46:00,658 only to discover he had disappeared. 948 00:46:00,758 --> 00:46:04,295 Within days, Rogest Cain's son, Lynn, flew to Topeka 949 00:46:04,395 --> 00:46:07,232 and joined the police search. 950 00:46:07,332 --> 00:46:09,100 LYNN CAIN: From what I know, he's been in the area 951 00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:14,039 about a year, a year and a half, and a truck driver picked him 952 00:46:14,139 --> 00:46:19,410 up, decided to name him Elmer, and gave him his last name, 953 00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:23,014 which was Jackson, so he goes by Elmer Jackson. 954 00:46:23,114 --> 00:46:25,283 He's been working several jobs or side 955 00:46:25,383 --> 00:46:29,054 jobs here and there, laying bricks and things like that. 956 00:46:29,154 --> 00:46:30,321 ROBERT STACK: Lynn Cain and the Topeka 957 00:46:30,421 --> 00:46:32,123 Police canvassed the neighborhood where 958 00:46:32,223 --> 00:46:34,125 Elmer Jackson was last seen. 959 00:46:34,225 --> 00:46:36,494 They passed out flyers of Rogest Cain's picture 960 00:46:36,594 --> 00:46:39,530 but were unable to locate him. 961 00:46:39,630 --> 00:46:41,933 LYNN CAIN: It's been the best lead so far, 962 00:46:42,033 --> 00:46:43,768 the only lead for us at this point. 963 00:46:43,869 --> 00:46:48,907 And we were unsuccessful today, but maybe 964 00:46:49,007 --> 00:46:51,877 tomorrow or days to come. 965 00:46:51,977 --> 00:46:54,779 [music playing] 966 00:47:06,591 --> 00:47:08,426 ROBERT STACK: For every mystery, there is someone 967 00:47:08,526 --> 00:47:10,695 somewhere who knows the truth. 968 00:47:10,795 --> 00:47:12,630 Perhaps that someone is watching. 969 00:47:12,730 --> 00:47:13,531 Perhaps it's you. 970 00:47:13,631 --> 00:47:16,601 [music playing]